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Why you should buy FM 2013 instead of downloading a pirated copy

Yesterday a lad contacted me on our Facebook page saying that he was unable to load my Viitorul Constanta save game into his FM 2012. The mystery was solved in a couple of minutes: the lad had a pirated copy, he didn’t bother to buy the game that he claims he loves. Well, I have a few things to say to those who prefer downloading a pirated copy and then go on and on about how much they love this game. Let me go into a few details which hopefully will persuade you to say no to piracy, at least when it comes to the Football Manager series.

1. Buying the game supports its development

This is a no-brainer: a team works hard to make this game, and the people in that team get their salaries if the game is sold. Every pirated copy that you download means less money for that team and thus less money for making the game better every year. You want new awesome features every year right? Then buy the game!

2. Sports Interactive support excellent charities

Some of the money that you spend on your copy of the game goes to charity, as SI support some excellent causes like War Child. So, if you buy the game you are also helping out with some very generous causes, and that’s always a nice thing to do.

3. Sports Interactive sponsor real football teams

That’s right, some of the money that you spend on the game goes to support real life football teams like AFC Wimbledon, Watford and not only. You can access a full list of those here. So, if you love both football and Football Manager, why not support some football teams by buying the game?

4. Cracked versions are unreliable

This is a very practical reason: you have no guarantee that your cracked game will work or that it will keep on working after an official patch is released. Moreover, if you have technical problems with it you will be unable to get help from the excellent support team at Sports Interactive. So if you want to play the game with no headaches other than selecting your squad and signing the best players, buy the game!

5. Support the community

There are quite a few helpful Football Manager related websites out there, this one is one of them and probably one of the best. If you get a pirated copy you don’t help us or any of the other fan sites. However, if you buy the game through us, a small portion of the price that you pay goes into supporting the website, and that’s what happens for most FM fan sites out there. We’re offering you our help day in and day out, why not show a little support in return?

These are just a few of the reasons I could think of and I hope I have persuaded you to buy FM 2013 instead of downloading a pirated copy. Feel free to add your thoughts in the comments.

If you want to buy Football Manager 2013 from us and support both SI and FMS, then you can take advantage of a rather substantial discount and get the game for just 27 pounds!

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Frank Sollie
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And, you never cheat on the ones you love…. FM is our TRUE love. Admit it folks!

Darren Smith
Admin

I’ll keep this brief as I have a burning passion against people who buy pirated copies. The people who provide them are scum. It honestly disgusts me, a while back someone applied to be on the scouting network. Seemed very promising but when I asked about the most recent patches they said they can’t download them due to not having bought the game. Needless to say the conversation ended there and I rejected the applicant instantly.

So there’s two reasons to buy the game rather than steal it through piracy. a) You probably will never get an update for the game and we all know its raw until after the first patch is released, and b) if you ever want to be a part of something like the Scouting Network, you’ll have no chance if you haven’t paid for the game.

Matthew Webb
Guest

are people ‘scum’ if they download it then

Darren Smith
Admin

Did I say that?

Matthew Webb
Guest

nope but i’m just wondering whether you actually think that?

Darren Smith
Admin

I didn’t say it did I, I’m also wondering if you illegally download the copy yourself but you didn’t address that so…besides I thought you were bored of this? You made some unfair comments about a company I respect and they were completely misguided, I defended them and thats that. Don’t make this personal…

Matthew Webb
Guest

No i don’t illegally download the copies. Let’s just leave it at that. Sorry if i offended you mate, i just needed to vent my rage after a stressful day haha

Darren Smith
Admin

No problem, we all read stuff on websites and the words make us impulsively reply in a way we usually wouldn’t. You did it to my comments and I definitely did the same to yours. No hard feelings, I will never take offense to a discussion as long as we make up afterwards. :) Not sure if you hang around the site often, but we’re not usually this crazy :) Just the topic is a little controversial I guess. No hard feelings.

Matthew Webb
Guest

Thanks dude. I always come across badly when I get involved in arguments because i don’t think about what im saying. I sometimes come to the site, but recently i’m not coming on so much as fm12 is kinda dying out. I hope to get more involved when fm13 is released and hopefully do a story of my own in the forums. :)

Darren Smith
Admin

No problem, well we’ll be doing a lot more for FM13 so you should pop by, hopefully some helpful downloads, tactics and player lists etc.

Joseph Diamond
Guest
Joseph Diamond

I don’t belong to the group you characterize as ”scum” but I must say that you have no right to insult people like that when you don’t know the first thing about some particular cases. Please refrain from such childish accusations that are completely unbased on any shown information.

Darren Smith
Admin

What are you talking about? If someone stole something that I made and spent many many hours developing, then just gave it away to people then I think they should be called all the names under the sun! In what particular case is it OK to distribute an illegally copied game, this should be interesting!

Joseph Diamond
Guest
Joseph Diamond

You’re not listening. I’m gonna try and elaborate so you get a better understanding of what I’m trying to say. Never said it was OK or that it wasn’t OK, you just came up with such conclusions without carefully reading my comment. Well I think that some people are doing that without the idea of what the consequences of their actions are and last time I checked idiocy and ignorance don’t fall under the category ”scum”. So please do not call a whole group of people scum, if you don’t have a clue who they are/what they are/why are they doing that. I repeat myself; you don’t know the first thing about them.

Darren Smith
Admin

Do not patronize me! You are the one that isn’t reading my comments properly…I am calling the people that make these illegal copies scum, not the people that download them. Under no circumstances should someone steal someone elses property, copy it and then offer it out for their own gain, its not their property to profit from and seriously damages the company that invest all their money into developing it!

Joseph Diamond
Guest
Joseph Diamond

I was talking about the people that offer such stuff and the stuff I said above applies to them. And most people do not offer it for their own gain.

Darren Smith
Admin

Then why do most have advertising on their sites, youtube channels and even make you download other stuff along with the game…because they make money from it thats why, so yes they do offer it for their own gain!

Joseph Diamond
Guest
Joseph Diamond

Going a bit off topic there, huh? Well that tells me what I wanted to know… GG

Darren Smith
Admin

How is that off topic…you claim these people who provide pirated copies aren’t doing it for their own gain, I’m just correcting you. They profit from stealing sport interactives game through the methods mentioned above, that is the whole point of this conversation. Either way this is really boring me now, until you want to start using facts and a structured argument I’m not interested, so far all you have done is tell people their facts are wrong and they should re-read their comments etc, yet you haven’t provided one single argument as to why these thieves (I’m referring to the people that pirate the game not the ones who download it) should be defended…I can only assume its because you don’t have one other than without them you wouldn’t have the game for free and would have to dip into your pocket. I’m sure you disagree completely and come back with more back handed remarks but without proper facts and a proper argument lets just agree to disagree as these exchanges are giving me a headache.

Lye
Guest

I am proud to say i have always purchased the original copy since the first Football Manager was out. This is the minimum we can contribute if we truly love FM. Long live FM.

saltwater
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saltwater

Sports Interactive do put so much into making the game that we all love that just taking the game without buying it just dishonors them and yourself. Can’t we all just put £30-40 (£27 on this site) towards buying it once to have year round joy? Is that really so hard?

Islam Aboauf
Guest

very dumb article tbh , most of games developers know that people buy games now just for the online play

Opre Bela
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Opre Bela

Not to defend anybody or to attack somebody, but in my country the minimal wage is around 160 E, aprox. 120 E after taxes, while the FM 2013 pre-purchase price on Steam is 49,99 E. So you do the math.

TheZiggy
Guest

As a software engineer, it really does annoy me when people go around pirating software like this. Earlier this year I spent the best part of a month, putting additional protection into my software with a dongle, to go along with an encrypted licence file I spent a couple of weeks developing a few years earlier.

The lengths that you have to go to in order to hopefully stop someone taking an illegal copy of your software is crazy.

I guess along with illegal music downloading, it feels like a victimless crime, but somewhere down the line it affect people, and with software that impact is very much larger. The sales volumes are less, but to develop the software tends to be an expensive business.

step
Guest
step

i had the pirate copy for the fm 2012 but i love to much the game that i decide to spent 50€ to buy it. and i dont regret any cent spent on it. i will see if i win or not the game via fms but if i don´t will deffinitly buy the game. is worthy and besides e gets the real updates and is more ntresting to see that you have the box and the cd . And also e spares you time to download and make a “thousand” things to instal it

step
Guest
step

i love fm and if buying helps the game getting better i will definitly suport

Bill Okpalor
Guest

i Agree with you Johnny Piracy Has to be stopped.

Matthew Webb
Guest

Sometimes, pirating games is fine, 30- 40 pounds is just too much for some people. Yeh i do agree that if you have the money and the passion for the game you should buy it but don’t ridicule people for pirating games when you don’t understand their situation. Sports interactive aren’t exactly strapping for cash, im sure their doing just fine.

TheZiggy
Guest

This is exactly why the prices for new games are as high as they are. It’s a vicious circle, the more people pirate software, the higher the prices have to be to cover the development. However it makes it more likely that people resent the price and will want to get a pirate copy. There is also however a limit to the price, because they have to also be competitive with other games too.

Software Engineers do not come cheap, which is probably a major slice of their budget.

Matthew Webb
Guest

They’re so high because, like most other people in the world, they’re greedy. I highly doubt that piracy actually impacts the price. Lots of people still buy the games

Darren Smith
Admin

Absolute bollocks…again more misguided and incorrect comments…if a game is illegally downloaded 12 times for every one bought copy how can that not effect the price!!

Can’t believe you’re trying to question the opinion of someone who works in computer software…Ziggy does this stuff for a job, I think he knows a hell of a lot more than you Matthew.

TheZiggy
Guest

I seem to remember about 10 years ago, new games were at least £29.99 then, and some even £10 higher, and there were fewer special offers to be found.

In one sense he’s right that, that companies would create these games if they weren’t going to make any money, as it wouldn’t be a sustainable business model. In the case of SI, by pirating, probably the worst part of it is, that you’re stealing away part of the profits which are given to charity. Most of the profits a software company make, are almost always ploughed back into getting more hardware and more software engineers, to help keep the pace of development for each new release.

I grant that EA are a special case of a company that seizes on any opportunity they seem to be able to find. Nobody will ever forget what happened to Westwood Studios, after they bought them.

Matthew Webb
Guest

Oh and its not like game developers ever harm us it? These days game developers are sucking money out of their loyal customers because of their greed. Look at Battlefield and EA with their ‘Premium’ bullshit

Darren Smith
Admin

Haha, you are incredible…you don’t have an argument here, everything you’re saying is based on assumptions and as shown misguided opinions. If you can download the game illegally then that means you can afford a computer thats worth at least £300 and an internet connection that costs around £10-20 per month (assuming your from England)…if you afford them you can afford the game. I honestly can’t understand why you continue this, I can only assume you illegally download the game yourself and you are defending yourself.

As for the developer rubbish, SI are probably the most giving company I have ever known. Once again SI is not part of EA!

Matthew Webb
Guest

nope i’ve bought all the games i currently own. The own time i’ve pirated a game is when i was 12, around the time when fm 09 was out i think. My parents had bought a computer with internet that they paid for, i had no money so i thought i might as well download 09 until i’ve saved up the money for 10 which came out a few months later.

-I know i coming across as a dick but im honestly not

Matthew Webb
Guest

Look i cant be bothered arguing with you any more, i was already in a crap mood. All im saying is that if a guy can’t afford something then he might as well pirate it for free until he can afford it

Darren Smith
Admin

If that was your argument then why did you continue to dis Sports Interactive and make them out to be some greedy money grabbing rich company? My point was that no matter what spin you put on it, its still stealing! But I’m not standing by while people slate a company that are actually very giving.

Anyway, we agree to disagree on that one I guess.

james
Guest
james

the thing is people dont understand the amount of work that goes into making a games,and then for someone to make it free.

I guess that why most companies are moving toward digital download

CsAtlantis
Guest

Steam sells the game at reasonable prices for me, and even if I can’t afford it now there is always the Christmas sale to look forward to (the game will probably get 50% off like fm2012 hopefully)

vaibhavc
Guest
vaibhavc

To be honest, there is no point in pirating the game. It just ruins the game and the hard work of all the people at SI.

Joseph Diamond
Guest
Joseph Diamond

I suggest you to re-read what you wrote and think about it. There is a point in that, but is it right or wrong I’ll let you decide.

Gaz Chapman
Guest
Gaz Chapman

I have to say that i am shocked by the amount of people on here that think it is ok to pirate/steal a game that they are supposed to be a fan of. IMO they don’t deserve to be allowed onto these kind of sites.
What ever your financial situation maybe the fact is youve got a broadband connection :) so your not that poor and secondly its £30 (£27 on here) a year you probably spend more than that in a month on chewy,crisps and cans of pop etc

Tim
Guest
Tim

And about that I don’t have a broadband connection. I am not (or rather, my family is not) poor but we are not that in money either broadband can only be afforded if you have a lot of money. To download a file with the connection I have which isn’t even mine its averagely 15KB/s. I am not justifying what I do and I don’t like it but like I said there’s no choice.

Gaurav Chaddah
Guest

In all honesty I find it quite ridiculous some of these comments having ago at SI.

I am proud to say I have never had an illegal FM and will never, I’ve watched the odd pirated movie borrowed from a mate but apart from that never and would never ever do that with football manager, I’m 14 so i don’t get payed however do pocket money if doing work around the house. When it comes to late August early September I decide not to spend my money and save up for the new game knowing that it will be out October/November time and i can get it on release. This is helping SI and War Child and I like helping charities.

It’s like Warburtons, they make bread and if like 1/7 or whatever customers stole that bread they wouldn’t gain as much leading them to not being able to pay their staff properly and then not being able to make the best bread possible.

Just thought I would state my opinion.

Jack
Guest
Jack

Well I really enjoyed reading that debate. I will definitely be buying the new version of FM.

Callum
Guest
Callum

Reading that was almost as fun as playing the game! I agree that piracy is wrong and also hate it when people say ‘oh it’s not actually real it doesn’t harm anyone’. I’m sorry, can you not buy a hard copy of FM12? Oh wait, yes you can. Go into a game shop and try and steal it, then see wether its ok. This really irritates me as I am studying to be a games designer and to be honest, I think working at SI would be the dream!

TheZiggy
Guest

It’s a sad indictment of the current culture that exists, where lots of people seem to think they have to right to have everything they want, whether they can afford it or not. For them the internet and being able to download illegal content is Utopia. It’s the “who cares attitude?”

Earlier this year, I had the door mirrors on my car smashed off, and although it was and starting to get rusty, it’s still dispiriting that someone has not respect for something you’ve worked so hard to be able to afford.

Good luck your studies, and SI does look like a dream company to work for. The one bit I’d get a kick from helping develop would be the match engine. I love all the complex stuff underneath, rather than designing fancy GUI’s.

Darren Smith
Admin

Very well put Ziggy.

Callum
Guest
Callum

As Darren said well put, and I agree, I love knowing the whys and goes of the game, not just seeing it happen

Kevin
Member

Although there are many people who can’t afford the game downloading a pirated copy still amounts to petty theft, plain and simple – but that’s just my opinion.

NUFCdan
Guest

People saying if you cant afford it then pirate it! Pirating is stealing. After school today I was really thirsty but i didnt have enough money on me to buy a can of pop, but did i steal from a shop? of course not! Would have got arrested and same should happen if you pirate football manager or any pther game for that matter! Stealing is stealing, weather a can of pop or pirating a copy of your favourite game!

Kevin
Member

Well said!!

Sears
Guest
Sears

It’s all well and good condemning these guys that pirate, but the problem won’t go away cos some people think it’s wrong. No one is the perfect law abiding citizen. We’ve all broken the rules, done things that are wrong. In no way am I saying that it’s OK to pirate, but as long as the authorities allow people the option to pirate, the problem will never go away.

Darren, Ziggy, Johnny – absolutely spot on with everything you have said. Pity they’ll be some people that completely disagree with you.

Dodo Lucic
Guest
Dodo Lucic

I just see no benefit of buying while you can download and play, and about unreliable , please, there are over 500+ seeders for FM12 and it’s working for everyone. :)

Jamie
Guest
Jamie

Stealing is wrong, plain and simple. In some cases (such as where a parent can’t afford to feed or clothe a child), it might be understandable, but even in these extreme cases, it’s still wrong.
is goi
The problem is, it’s all too easy in the online age to forget that, when you buy a product online, you are actually visiting an online shop, and products sold online are very much as real as those in shops.

The best analogy to downloading illegal copies of a game is going to a cinema with a camera, shooting what you see on the screen, and selling it as the genuine article. It isn’t, never will be, and as others have shown, every copy illegally dowloaded (stolen) impacts on the ammount of money developers have to work with on future versions of the game. Eventually, the price will reach a point that nobody would buy it if it went higher, and the software company will have to make the hard decision to stop producing new games. Does anybody seriously want that?

Joseph Diamond
Guest
Joseph Diamond

You made a dozen of inaccurate points in your speech that I’m not even willing to respond to that.

Joseph Diamond
Guest
Joseph Diamond

I just don’t see harm if I download the game since I wouldn’t pay for it if no download was available, so no one loses in this situation.

Long
Guest
Long

Love should not be bought or cheated but I think FM is the only love that I willingly and proudly buy every year since FM 2011.

Best regards from Vietnam :)

acss
Guest
acss

I have one question for johnny, darren and others who are against piracy: do you always buy software for your computer and never ever used unlicensed software, no matter what were the conditions? I honestly don’t know anyone who hasn’t at least once used unlicensed software, or downloaded illegal music, movies or any other product. I don,t think piracy is ok but i cannot judge people for doing it and i don’t think anyone should.

acss
Guest
acss

I agree with your post johnny. I just don’t agree when some people are judging others because no one is perfect. We all brake rules sometimes. And i just hate hipocrisy.

Darren Smith
Admin

Well I hate sitting by while a great company gets screwed over which is what is happening to SI. It was mentioned that for every 1 game that is bought 12 are illegally downloaded, if that keeps escalating I’m not sure how this game could stay alive in the long run, yes that is an assumption but they’ll surely struggle to maintain the constant flow of cash into development. I understand what you are saying and I do apologize for coming across as judging people, I’m not trying to make this personal towards people who download the game, I just don’t understand how some people say it is OK to do. If people acknowledged that it is a problem and stealing, then I wouldn’t get so highrate, but someone telling me that it is OK to steal someone elses work just isn’t on.

But I’ll reiterate that reading back on some of my comments I should have had more tact with my wording and approach.

Josh Legg
Guest
Josh Legg

Before I start, I have bought every single version of Football Manager and Championship Manager since the beginning. I was always brought up to value the price of money. I’m your average Joe earning about £20k a year. I would never ever steal anything from a shop, online or download a game. Purely for the fact that my money will go towards the progress and development of the game that I love. However, as for people who believe that the company will not be able to “stay alive in the long run.” Surely, you lot can do a bit of maths. 1 in 12 is legally bought right?! Let’s say that 12million people in the UK own the game, that means the total cost spent on that game in the UK alone is £30million!. (Enough to buy Port Vale, I hear you scream.) And you have to think about every other country who have the game. I have no fears about the long run of this game. The underlying issue, is getting a pirated copy is far to easy!! The government and law forces should come down hard on people that MAKE it for people to download. And sustain it… Read more »

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