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Football Manager Myth Buster: Player Development

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Hey guys and welcome to a different type of post, as today we aim to break a myth that even had the most experienced of Football Managers fooled. Football Manager player development is a complicated topic for most, so much goes into raising youth in the correct manner on Football Manager, you’d be excused for misunderstanding what goes into a players development and what directly effects it.

To clarify, today’s post is all about Football Manager Myths, set in place long ago, myths that have stuck and become ingrained within the community, myths that even I fell for (hangs head in shame.) We’ll start by outlining the myth and then set about putting it right.

The Myth: Determination and work rate effect player development

Before we start and while you pick your jaws up from the floor :), let me do a few shout outs to the real pros that pointed this myth out and did all the research to set us straight. Firstly Shrewnaldo, who wrote a fantastic piece back in 2012 detailing a few experiments which we’ll use today, secondly Maestro Ugo who also carried out an insanely long experiment on The Dugout. This Myth was expelled by people like Shrewnaldo and Maestro Ugo a while back, but it still lived on within the community so I felt it right to highlight their work and open it up to the FMS community.

OK so back to that baffling statement, determination and work rate do not effect player development in Football Manager. My prediction is a hand full reading this will think, ‘yeah, annnnd’ while the majority will want evidence and undeniable proof, well we have both.

As mentioned I used to think determination and work rate directly affected player development, after all if someone is determined and works hard then surely they will reach their potential faster, won’t they? No, and here is the proof.

Shrewnaldo hosted an experiment back in 2010, which is still very relevant today. Below is the outline for his experiment proving determination has no effect on player development. Please note this screenshot is taken from The Dougout and the full post can be found here.

determination experiment.

While Shrewnaldo didn’t carry out a similar test on work rate, Maestro Ugo hosted a mammoth experiment on The Dugout back in 2011. Maestro Ugo ran a save recording the changes to 4000 regens, from this data he could determine which attributes effect a players development without question. This is a fairly complicated experiment, so I won’t re-host any details here other than the fact that work rate had no effect on player development. If you want to see the experiment and more data its available here.

What does effect player development in Football Manager

We now know for certain that determination and work rate have no real baring on player development, but what does? From reading both the articles linked above we can say game time, professionalism, ambition, injury proneness and of course luck effect development.

I want to show you Shrewnaldo’s spider graph demonstrating how professionalism effects development, as you can directly compare it to the minimal effect determination had in the previous spider graph. The same experiment was carried out, only difference being the professionalism attribute varied where determination did previously. A clear picture is painted, the higher the starting attribute for professionalism the quicker the pupil develops.

proffessionalism effect on development

How will this affect me?

For those who didn’t fall for the myth in the first place, well you’ll probably feel good about yourselves :) But for the rest of us, there are many parts of the game that will be seen in a new light.

For instance, in the past you may have looked at the determination and work rate attributes to see a direct representation of your players potential or ability to reach it, now you should just see their willingness to get about the pitch and determination in an actual match environment.

You should now be looking directly for a players personality as an indicator for how he’ll grow, attributes that are of course hidden so you will want to get a rough idea through his information screen and coach/scout reports…you can use this article here for pointers on what the personality descriptions actually mean. Remember we are looking for professional players and ambitious individuals.

You should now look for tutors with high professionalism and ambition to tutor your youth, instead of worrying about determination dropping, in the past I never even looked at this when considering a tutor so could have been seriously damaging my players growth without realizing. If you select a tutor with low professionalism or ambition to tutor a kid with resonable attributes in that area, those attributes will drop. Sure an experienced tutor will help the tutees CA increase short term (ergo presenting the appearance of a good tutor) but what you may miss is the personality change in your tutee that will stop him reaching full potential in the future. If they take on the tutors poor professionalism and or ambition they will undeniably suffer.

I could go into more detail and cover much more ground, but that would be disrespectful to the authors of the pieces linked in above. So instead if you want more information on this topic and others similar, I strongly recommend the articles mentioned throughout this piece, they may be old but they are brilliant, still very relevant and deserve as much publicity as possible.

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Niels Bendtsen Halck
Niels Bendtsen Halck
7 years ago

I surely believed in that myth..

Andrew
Andrew
7 years ago

Mythbusting. What a cool feature. How about finding out whether the AI learns to counter your tactic around halfways in the season or the ever so popular 2nd season tactic slump. Myth or no myth?
Andrew

Martin
Martin
7 years ago

A small myth I would like answered, is just whether a player grows taller?

Martin
Martin
7 years ago
Reply to  Darren Smith

No but it’s a myth none the less. I have a young good prospect CB but his height means he loses key headers, want to know if I should retrain to a BWM or wait for him to grow! It wouldn’t be a hard experiment

Pedro Fontan
Pedro Fontan
7 years ago

WHAAAAAAAAT?? Are you telling pretty much the thing which pushed me to finalise deals for regens is not real?? It can not be true!!!! Noooooooooooool
all jokes aside I was very surprised to read this but with all the proof its tough to deny for sure. Great post Darren and kudos to the contributors.
My “myth” which isn’t really a myth is whether instructions in a game actually make any difference. From what I have tested it seems they have very little effect however I did just test on 10 games so not really that extensive. And it may just be the way my team play

Istanbul_NL
7 years ago

Another good article about player development was done by the late SFraser – http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/262465-A-Guide-to-Developing-Youngsters . Although determination doesn’t effect a players development directly, it does seem to help when you send him out to a feeder club.

Quote:

“I have an unwritten rule at my club (Manchester United, I’m sure most of you spotted that). That rule is that anyone under Determination 13 will fail, anyone over Determination 16 will succeed. Failure might be he is sometimes awesome but usually ****, success might be he is always average, but anyone between 13 and 16 is a loose cannon and anyone under it someone I cannot trust. At any stage of development and First Team behaviour.

This is a profoundly crucial issue. I have sent many Determination 17 players to my “holding feeder club” because their skills sucked, and I always get messages about “League One Player of the Month”. I have sent a lot of quality youngsters with Determination 13 to the Championship and they come back saying they would have learnt more at Old Trafford.

Because of that I have a simple rule now. If your Determination is under 15 you don’t go on loan.”

Wedny
Wedny
7 years ago

Thank you so much for this article! I’ve tested this myself, and also put bravery in that expiriment. Ambition and proffessionalism are most important stats that i found out! Anyhow, cheers and thanks!

0mariano
0mariano
7 years ago

I also believed in that myth, great post Darren.

Zadix
Zadix
7 years ago

A great article yet again guys, however i will continue to buy regens that have high determination because it is the only visible indication of a players personality apart from the short description in the information tab. I find that it really does aid in development of young players, maybe because it is correlated to professionalism and ambition.

The article might have proven that the determination stat itself doesn’t have significant effect on development, but that doesn’t mean that regens with high determination don’t develop better.

Atal
Atal
7 years ago

For my experience (since 2012) if you tutor a player and give him some game time that equals to he will develop. Now determination comes into play when you promote that player to the 1st team. Because most of the time (in my game) it’s set on high. If a player has high determination he won’t complain if low the opposite which result in individual training and he doesn’t develop as fast as I want him to.

Atal
Atal
7 years ago
Reply to  Atal

Training is set to high

Joe
Joe
7 years ago
Reply to  Darren Smith

I think what he is trying to say is that a player with a higher determination attribute is more likely to be OK with a heavier training load.

Henri
Henri
7 years ago

Fantastic read, I’m really surprised and I have to admit you’ve changed the way I’ll sign players. I’m not surprised in the slightest that thousands of people would believe this myth. Realistically though the proof is there to see and I don’t question it one bit but I struggle to understand how it’s realistic.

I mean sure if someone is extremely professional they will turn up without fail every day and they’ll do everything possible to remain professional in every aspect of their job but if you have another person who is extremely determined surely they will be more likely to live their life in a very determined manner.

I mean when I think of someone who is extremely determined, I think of someone who will stop at nothing to be the best them that they can be, to me it just doesn’t logically make a whole lot of sense, how a professional player will progress much much better than a determined player, still I say it again, Brilliant post, I was shocked and I won’t be the only one.

Henri
Henri
7 years ago
Reply to  Darren Smith

Really good point, I never thought of it like that. I would assume that a mental attribute works both on and off the pitch but it’s clear to see from this post, it only works on the pitch. Maybe determination should be a person attribute or it should be the same rating and be both a person attribute and a player attribute. The logic of it really confuses me , especially when you also consider that a players determination attribute can directly influence his in game personality.

Theophilus Ekpa
7 years ago

Determination matters in match performances agaisnt odds. For player development, important factors are coaches, training schedules, focus training, and youth facilities. Tutoring and determination have slight effects. Work rate affects the player’s contribution to team play.

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