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FM 2012 player profile – Joel Valencia

FM 2012 Central Midfielders

written by Darren Smith


Joel Valencia

Age: 16

Position: AMR/MRC/AMC

Club: Zaragoza

Nationality: Ecuadorian

Value: £800K

Price tag: £875K (in patch 12.2)

Joel Valencia’s profile in 2011 (after starting new game, patch 12.2)

Joel Valencia’s scouting report from Ryan on Man Utd

Joel Valencia’s profile aged 21 in the year 2016

Joel Valencia’s career history until 2016

This FM 2012 player profile of Joel Valencia should leave you drooling, in fact no, you shouldn’t have time to drool as you frantically rush to start up the game and buy this new found talent! While Valencia doesn’t stand out as a youngster his potential is here for all to see in the future profile above taken of the wonderkid aged 21 in 2016. That shows what Valencia can grow to if managed well, the screenshot is from Pedro Silva’s game and you must agree he has done an excellent job raising Valencia who looks incredible and still has many more years of developing to go. Seeing attributes in acceleration, agility, pace, crossing, dribbling, technique, determination and first touch make this kid one of the best wonderkids I have ever seen from an FM series. And you can have it all for just £875K, if I could I’d rate him 11/10!! Please do note though that Valencia has flexible potential meaning he may not have the ability to reach this level in your game, but he’ll still develop into a great player even if short of what you see above.

Best buy rating: 11/10 (that’s right, he defies mathematics!)

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  • comment avatar pereira February 1, 2012

    just amazing is development im wating for him on the transfer list of jannuary like andersen. i really hope to make this kid this great.
    which kind of train should i give to him ?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      He is a beast, I have emailed Pedro to ask for some info, but don’t know if the email address I have is correct so we’ll see.

  • comment avatar p0w! February 1, 2012

    is there any chance we can get some tips on how Pedro Silva got players like gaitan sanogo and now joel valencia to such a high level, training schedules and indivdual focuses and stuff. This would be very helpful thanks!

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      I have emailed Pedro asking him to look at these comments and reply accordingly if he has time…but I’m not sure if I have a real email address for him or if he left a dummy one as some people prefer not to hand out their details which is understandable.

  • comment avatar Arsenal Goon February 1, 2012

    Hi, love your site, was wondering why you dont do many domestic players. Kinda wana see Alex Chamberlain, Miyachi, Wilshere, Ramsey, Phil Jones and Ravel Morrison.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      Thanks mate, as for the domestic thing its usually because they are so highly priced I don’t think they warrant a profile. And the only reason they reduce is because their not been played and when that happens they don’t develop anyway. Until I see great future profiles for these players and/or an acceptable price I can’t really warrant profiling them over the dozens I have backed up yet to do.

      • comment avatar The Funshow June 5, 2012

        I bought Alex chamberlain for 9 million. Only 19 still not sure if he is good yet

        • comment avatar Darren Smith June 5, 2012

          He could be very good if offered enough first team football, should be a good buy at that value.

  • comment avatar Nick Jones February 1, 2012

    To be fair this guys stats aren’t even that good, he isn’t an all round player, just quite like Aaron Lennon with pace and dribbling. His assist ratio is amazing though even from the start!

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      Rather than repeat the same comment twice I’ll revert you down to Arsenal Goons comment below. I agree with what he is saying.

      • comment avatar Nick Jones February 3, 2012

        He is a quality player, i can see that but he’s more Lennon than Messi or Ronaldo. What position do you play him? AMR Winger? Would inside forward work?

        • comment avatar Darren Smith February 3, 2012

          Inside forward would work too yes, but it depends more on your tactic than him personally in that area. As for the Messi, Ronaldo thing you could say that about anyone, as no one can touch those two. But he’s leaps and bounds ahead of Lennon…the numbers say that on there own.

  • comment avatar Matt Skeer February 1, 2012

    What training schedule does Pedro Silva use as he did the profile of Sanogo I think and he turned out amazing so what does he use ?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      I have emailed Pedro asking him to pop by these comments and share some information but I don’t know if the email address is right so fingers crossed.

  • comment avatar Arsenal Goon February 1, 2012

    have to disagree Nick. He has the stats needed for his position. That why his assists are so high. The useful stats for a winger are maxed out and the stats he doesnt need so much arent. Crossing, dribbling and speed mixed with technique. You cant go wrong

  • comment avatar Arsenal Goon February 1, 2012

    His determination is amazingly low though. I dont usually buy players if they have determination below 14-15 What are your thoughts on this Darren?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      I used to be the same, but since FM10 when I signed a regen with 8 determination who developed incredibly I have changed my outlook. I always say that determination and work rate and help someone grow massively and perform better, but it doesn’t stop them from growing or performing if its low…not all the time anyway, its more a case of judging from what you see.

      • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 1, 2012

        And his determination can grow if you ask one of your older players with high determination to tutor him. I’ve done in the past, and I still do, I like to have my players with high determination, altough I don’t know the exact effect it has (or if it has any) during a match for example.

        • comment avatar Nick Jones February 2, 2012

          Determination is an important stat for coming back from a goal down etc. It used to be a tip that popped up on an older FM like 2009 or something. It makes them fight harder like Patrick Vieira in his prime.

  • comment avatar lee February 1, 2012

    i assume pedro silva was lucky to get that “version” of joel valencia. in my save game (i cheat a bit by using genie), joel has only 4 professionalism, 6 ambition, 9 determination. theres no way my joel will come as good as pedro silva’s one

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      You can’t say that really, not unless you have personally developed him and not reached the same level. I have looked on one of my saves and at 20 he has been with a rubbish French side, played very few games and still developed well…certainly not to the level seen above but what I have seen indicates Valencia can hit the attributes shown if used correctly, even if you need to wait a few years more than Pedro did.

  • comment avatar Arsenal Goon February 1, 2012

    Yeah Valencia has T determination on my save and he is also fairly proffesional

  • comment avatar Arsenal Goon February 1, 2012

    7*

  • comment avatar pereira February 1, 2012

    but the kid as evolved very well. don take the credit from someone that can train and have some better trainging schedules than yours.. joel valencia is a machine and is online 21 years i really hope that pedro silva gives s a print from joel with some age. this kid is just amazing could be the palyer that make a diffrence bettew a lostor winned game.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

      I think that players can be different in games, but they don’t vary as much as some may try to suggest…you can get Valencia to this level, you just need to know how to develop youth.

  • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 1, 2012

    Hi, like some of you said I was lucky, because my Joel Valencia already had some good attributes in the work rate, determination, and those hidden ones (for those I used genie scout, I guess it’s the only way you can see them, like profissionalism, etc. (My brother has him to, and he doesn’t have the same attributes, and hasn’t developed the same)

    I bought him right from the start, first I trained him on his speed, because it wasn’t very high at first, and I like my wingers to have alot of speed. When he had speed and agility around 16/17, I started training him on dribbling, until he had 17, then crossing a little more on speed, and again dribbling, for my type of wingers I like them quick, with alot of dribbling, and some crossing, given that I have a man like Sanogo, I have to give him enough balls to score.

    When he got to 18 years old he was already amazing, and had amazing numbers at the under 18′s. So i thought about loaning him, or moving him up to the first squad. I thought that loaning him to a lower squad wouldn’t serve him any good, so I sold my backup winger, and moved him up.

    I also had him playing for the reserves team, at the same time. So he would play at wednesdays for the reserves, and on the weekends he would play in the under 18′s. I don’t know what kind o effect it will have on him, when he gets older, given that I pushed him hard at such a young age, hw would get around 50/60 games in the reserves and under 18′s. Plus some more in the senior team. (he had like 25 goals and 30 assists).

    Also, even when he was 16 he was the starter for cup games. In Portugal, with luck in the draw, he get weak teams in most of the rounds, so I would play him in every match. That would give him around 10 senior games combining the portuguese cup, and the league cup.

    If I was able to win the championship early, I would give him minutes in the first team, in the remaining games (I had already won, so there has nothing to lose), if I went to the last game of the group stage of the Champions League, already with my place secured, I would play him for more experience.

    About the same with Sanogo, but Sanogo amazed me, i wasn’t training him on the physicals, and in two or three months he had an amazing boost, we gained two values in almost every physical, blew my mind away.

    Gaitan I focused on the dribling, he was already quick enough so, I wanted to make him a dribling machine.

    If I’m allowed I’ll post the link to the training schedules I used.

    And if someone wants to know, he’s PA is 180, which helps alot of course. He was alreadyreached it, at such a young age, but he has now developed his crossing up to 19.

    Any more questions I’ll be glad to answer.

    Sorry for the long comment, and any mistake I might have written.

    • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 1, 2012

      One thing I forgot, is that I can’t really get my players to develop in the mental attributes, which it’s quite a shame, It’s definetely his weak point.

      • comment avatar Darren Smith February 1, 2012

        Thanks for all the information Pedro, it’ll be very helpful for the readers and thanks for the screenshots too.

        P.S. You can post the link to those training schedules if you like.

        • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 1, 2012

          http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/245481-Raver-training-sets?highlight=raver

          I got them from here. The link is in the second post. It also has instructions on how to use them. It’s from FM2011, but the version 4 he has there works really well in FM2012.

          • comment avatar Didi March 2, 2012

            i dont know why but I can’t open the link for the training, If u can upload it somehow I will super appreciate it.. I really need helps in building this Valencia kid. :) thanks!

          • comment avatar Darren Smith March 2, 2012

            You’d need Pedro to put the file up for down load as I can’t access it either, but to be honest don’t think he’ll drop by here.

  • comment avatar pereira February 1, 2012

    pedro i have the schedule where should io put it ?

  • comment avatar N.Loureiro February 2, 2012

    Wow, This guy…my scouts don’t think much of him but they recomended his team-mate Kevin. His full name is Kevin Lacruz, I think. Can you check him out and see how he develops?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 2, 2012

      He’s decent but hasn’t developed on my saves….not worth a profile with the information I have.

  • comment avatar Super Danny Welbeck February 2, 2012

    See, this is what I love most about Football Manager. These players. There are a lot more like this on the game and when you find one, it’s fantastic. I’d advise you to look at Man United’s Adnan Januzaj for a similar 11/10 rating.

    Out of curiosity, is Joel Valencia related to Antonio Valencia. Both Ecuadorian, right wingers, any relation at all?

  • comment avatar steve February 2, 2012

    Is there any news on a defender named Rhodolfo? Is this just a regen in my game or is he for real?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 2, 2012

      I have seen someone by that name who is like 24 or 25 years old. He is good but played terribly for Arsenal in my game so I have decided not to profile him despite the good looking all round attributes.

  • comment avatar N.Loureiro February 2, 2012

    Rhodolfo is a real player and currently plies his trade at São Paulo in Brazil. He was one of Juventus’s target during the winter transfer window but Juve decided and rightly so to bring in a renewed Martin Caceres.

    Here is his profile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_Rhodolfo_Dini_Gaioto

    And here’s him again in a Goal.Com article: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/11/14/2754724/from-casemiro-to-rhodolfo-through-damiao-gabriel-silva

  • comment avatar pereira February 3, 2012

    darren could you sdk pedro silva ao does rodrigo from slb turn on since is training slb. im intrested in sining him

    • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 3, 2012

      In my save he wasn’t any good, Sold him after loaning him in the first season. He had a PA of 130, or 140.

      I’ve seen some prints of him in which he was amazing. I guess it dependes on the save.

  • comment avatar pereira February 3, 2012

    *ask

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 3, 2012

      Sorry, I will not be emailing Pedro with questions…it feels inappropriate as that is his personal space, he can reply to you here if he wants. Asking him to drop by and answer the questions on those screenshots was one thing, but I don’t want to drag him into a Q&A session that he may not want to be in.

  • comment avatar Vin February 3, 2012

    I think he really need to be retrain to the left where he can play as inside fwd, because he is right footed only he can’t play as right inside forward right? Yes he can play as ‘wingers’ on the right but classic winger don’t work at FM.

    Also his finishing and composure is quite low, think he’s gonna waste lots of chances when he skinned 4-5 players but missed the one on one with the keeper

    • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 3, 2012

      In my tactics I have the wingers switching sides during the match. I Havn’t trained him in that position yet, because it occupies a big amount of training and I wanted to develop him first.

      He actually scores some goals, despite his finishing being very low.

  • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 3, 2012

    Something I forgot to mention last time, is that, I like to train my players first in the physical attributes (if they need to). I think it’s easier for them to develop those attributes at a young age. Then I prefer to train the technicals. The mental part I usually leave for last (unless the player has an great fault at composure for exemple).

  • comment avatar jon February 4, 2012

    Pedro Silva has obviously used fmrte with joel valencia as his PA only ever reaches 170 max.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 4, 2012

      Hmmm, interesting how you change your name for the negative comments. As for the slander above, you can’t know that as PA does change and there are other side effects of FMRTE that do not show in Valencia’s profile above…therefore your comment is out of order. If you want to get proof then please do and tell me as I will take the profile down straight away…however, without solid proof your comment is slander and I don’t stand for it, other sites may encourage bullying but I don’t…

  • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 4, 2012

    http://footballmanager.wikia.com/wiki/Potential_Ability

    As you can see there, for the youngsters, the PA is variable.

    -8 = 130-160

    -9 = 150-180

    -10 = 170-200

    For a player with -9 PA, he will get a PA betwen 150, and 180.

    Actually, in my save Joel doesn’t have 180 of PA, he has 175 (not much difference), I’ve confused him with Abdallah Yaisien which is my other winger, and has 180 of PA (and also Luis Guilherme).

    But to show that Valencia could have 180 of PA, here you go.

    Open the Editor of FM2012. Load the DB. Filter by player with this:

    http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9948/filtrow.jpg

    It’s in portuguese, but it says potential ability, and it filters every -9 and -10.

    Wow, look who shows up:

    http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7911/joelt.jpg

    Joel Valencia. And has you can see here: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1183/joel2d.jpg

    He has a PA of -9.

    Look who also shows up: http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3523/luisoc.jpg

    Luis Guilherme.

    And he is also a -9: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4074/luis2v.jpg

    So, yeah, Joel can have 180 of PA. It’s just a matter of being lucky.

    And, just to be clear, no I didn’t edit his PA with FMRTE.

    If he had a low PA, I would’ve just bought another player.

    Sorry about the prints being in Portuguese Darren, but I didn’t know how to put the editor in English.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 4, 2012

      Thanks for clearing that up Pedro, I don’t like people who make false accusations with no evidence but I’m glad you could prove, categorically, that no one can question the screenshot. I have actually been looking for a way of doing that, but you managed to word and structure it far better than I could. If Jon would like to apologize for his inaccurate comment then I’m all ears, sure that won’t happen though :)

    • comment avatar Nick Jones February 9, 2012

      Ah that’s what the -9, -10′s are for. I knew it was random rating but wasn’t sure exactly how. So basically anyone on -9 can be world class 170+PA but could also be average premiership players <160PA and everyone on a -10 rating like Sanogo in FM11 is guaranteed world class.

      • comment avatar Darren Smith February 9, 2012

        That’s the theory, but remember no player is guaranteed to hit their PA, that only happens with first team football and the right coaching.

  • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

    So, first question. What are the side-effects of using FMRTE, Darren?

    @Jon

    I don’t mean to pry but Darren is correct. Joel Valencia is the type of player that most likely starts with a -n attribute for PA. Meaning that it will never be the same in three different saves. He can have 170, he can have 160 or 167…So no, your argument has little validity.

  • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

    The person above is me. I just mispelled my e-mail.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 4, 2012

      The only other side effect that categorically means someone has changed a player is when an outfield player has an attribute of higher than 1 for goalkeeping. I don’t know if that attribute changes most of the time or rarely but its a dead give away.

      • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

        Hmmm, I always thought it could do serious damage to your game. I mean, I have seen people of mine using it to get Top Players transfer listed just so they can get them to Join SCP or Porto and even SLB

        • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

          I mean that has to carry side-effects too, right?

          • comment avatar Darren Smith February 4, 2012

            Yeah well its cheating in my eyes. If you change the game in any way you’re cheating especially to change a player through FMRTE. I personally hate the thing as it leads to people like myself who play the game properly and just know how to win being accused of using it. But to answer your question I think it has side effects yes, if you change the game then that is a side effect.

  • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

    “I personally hate the thing as it leads to people like myself who play the game properly and just know how to win being accused of using it.”

    -

    I feel your pain, mate. I too have been accused of cheating. Especially with my Arsenal and FC Bayern saves from FM11. Especially with latter because I went undefeated in all competitions I was in. It’s not hard to pull that when you manage Bayern Munich.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 4, 2012

      I often find its people who struggle to win while they are using such cheating methods that make the accusations too :)

      • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

        Truer words were never spoken. It also speaks highly (or lowly, depending on how you look at it) that Person A cheats and still manages to struggle.

        Some people should just not play the game.

        • comment avatar Darren Smith February 4, 2012

          I just think that if you cheat you will never learn how to overcome the difficulties that caused you to cheat in the first place. I used to be crap back in FM08…but rather than restarting or cheating I kept going and eventually learnt how to respond to bad defeats etc. That is why I get so offended when my hard work is labelled as that of a cheat, I learnt how to do what I do the hard way, through a lot of hours and getting pissed to the point of wanting to throw my laptop against the wall lol But I’m glad I did it because had I not I wouldn’t be able to enjoy the game the way I do.

          • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

            FM08…I have fond memories of that game but a very bad one. I kind punched my laptop screen in a fit of rage after I lost the AFCON final to Senegal – I was managing Egypt.

            Lucky for me, my brother’s recently “deceased” laptop was of the same make and model so all I did was look up a vid in youtube and switch the screens.

            Also, it should be noted that it wasn’t until I saw your Set-piece article that I started tweaking with those options. Before, I used to just park Van Buyten/Luisão on the far post and Badstuber/Lucio whoever it was that Bayern/Benfica/Chelsea/Milan had on previous games by the near post. It was my only flaw but thanks to you I corrected it, Darren. Thank you.

          • comment avatar Darren Smith February 4, 2012

            Well I’m glad the set pieces helped, I tend to change things around for the teams I manage and as they evolve I try to evolve my though process with them, that is how I come up with new tactics etc, some work some don’t but that’s what FM is all about, experimenting to see what works.

  • comment avatar N. Loureiro February 4, 2012

    We never stop learning during the course of our lives.

  • comment avatar DannyBhoy February 5, 2012

    Does anyone know how pedro’s game layout is like that?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 5, 2012

      Pedro would have to answer that, I’m not sure as I am happy with the default skin.

  • comment avatar Pedro Silva February 5, 2012

    I use a new skin (Benfica skin, created my a Benfica fan), that I’ve downloaded.

  • comment avatar Jack February 5, 2012

    Pedro Silva, is there anyway we could download your benfica game? Thanks!

  • comment avatar Martin K February 8, 2012

    what is a genie scout? Something that get scouting all the best players? Much of the romance is also to “raise” players that dont become mega stars but that you still get attach to.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 8, 2012

      Genie scout is a tool created to help gamers find the best talent, but I don’t know any more than that as I do not use it myself. As mentioned one of the best parts of FM is finding the best talent yourself through hard work and plenty of searching, in my eyes genie scout is another way of cheating so to speak, but everyone plays the game their own way I guess.

  • comment avatar Ewan Wood February 9, 2012

    I have managed to pick up Valencia and Giuseppe Prestia from Palermo at the start of my third season. They have been completely neglected for the previous two seasons but I’m managing to give them a few games. If I give them around 15 games this season will they be fine?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 9, 2012

      I would say so, but you need to be training them correctly too…every game is different but they should develop well if treated well.

  • comment avatar David Warner February 14, 2012

    Hahaha, I bought him for cheap in the first season on my Liverpool save as a “yeah, maybe he’ll be okay for backup in a couple of years” player. Never realised how much potential he had, really. Since seeing this profile, I have started playing him a bit more often. He’s had 4 starts now, and 1 sub appearance … and he’s gotten 3 Man-of-the-Matches with an average rating of 7.62.

    Very impressive, will work hard to develop him! :D

    Oddly enough though, he never really ‘lit up’ my Under 18′s or Reserve squads with performances, which is probably why I didn’t take note of him…

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 14, 2012

      Yeah sometimes you can have an opinion of a player that is completely changed by one single screenshot, quite funny really and one of the reasons I love FM.

  • comment avatar Bryan Loynes February 15, 2012

    I have to say he’s been certainly a flop in my game. I’m in 2019 and he is playing for Bristol City (League 1), and doesn’t even make their first team.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 15, 2012

      Yeah the problem is that he has such a large jump to make from his CA to PA that the CPU just isn’t good enough to get him there. Obviously just because a player has a certain potential doesn’t mean he’ll always hit it, it depends on how he’s developed.

  • comment avatar Ewan Wood February 16, 2012

    Darren could you have a look a Luis Alberto who plays for Sevilla Atletico (the Sevilla B team). This a gyazo of his current stats if gyazo works? http://gyazo.com/f3033f9283cb53fd4f54db72d8cfcf1c

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 16, 2012

      I checked him but Alberto hasn’t improved enough in any of my future saves, he looks quite talented but not done enough for a profile I’m afraid.

  • comment avatar Ewan Wood February 16, 2012

    Alright thanks anyway. I think he just gets left to rot in that B team

  • comment avatar Heresy February 27, 2012

    In my Fullham game he hasn’t developped well enough. I gave the same amount if not more first-team game time than Pedro had. He’s decent but not mindblowingly good.

    One suggestion, Darren. Perhaps you could give 2 screenshots – one where a player is developped by human managment, and another one with CPU managment.

    Because when you see all those amazing stats, you can’t help but to buy the kid, but it doesn’t mean he will turn out amazingly for everyone. Not everyone has the touch and not all attributes are the same in every game. Perhaps with 2 screenshots, an average player can see what might become of a youngster when he’s properly managed and what can average managment (CPU) do to him. An average player should achieve the average of the two screenshots ;)

    • comment avatar Darren Smith February 27, 2012

      To be honest doing two profiles would be a little pointless as I don’t have a CPU developed and human developed profile for most players, only a few and I mention when a profile is developed by someone anyway. I try and find the profiles that show a player to his full potential (I say try because sometimes it isn’t possible to find.) This is because its easy to know how an average player develops but some don’t know the top class ones.

      • comment avatar Heresy February 27, 2012

        Fair enough :) I’ve been so dissapointed with Valencia after seeing Pedro’s profile but it’s been very naive of me to believe I could develop him just as well :)

        • comment avatar Darren Smith February 28, 2012

          To be fair there is a chance that his end PA is different in your save to what Pedro has which he mentioned further up, that may explain things too.

  • comment avatar Jevdot March 2, 2012

    Is there a Profile for ravel morrison or paul pogba? if not will there be one?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith March 2, 2012

      Morrison has never developed to an acceptable level in any save I’ve seen and Pogba is getting a profile organised as we speak.

  • comment avatar casey Mchugh March 8, 2012

    check out Pavel Nyakhaychyk

    • comment avatar Darren Smith March 8, 2012

      I can’t find that player to check in my saves.

  • comment avatar Malhar Bhadbhade March 9, 2012

    just wanted to know if its possible that joel wont turn out at all like pedro’s did? im about to start a save with porto and im thinking about buying him…should i put him in the reserves/ U18s squad? or should i play him in cup matches straight away? coz joel valencia on pedro’s save turned out to be EPIC. but im concerned that he might not be anywhere close to that on my save..

    • comment avatar Darren Smith March 9, 2012

      It is possible that Joel won’t reach the same standard as he has flexible potential but he should still be good even if not as good as above. You can read Pedro’s comments above about how he trained Valencia etc.

  • comment avatar Blororo March 10, 2012

    what attribute to be trained?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith March 10, 2012

      Pedro who provided the future screenshot explains all training in the comments above.

  • comment avatar Gunnersaurus March 11, 2012

    Could you do a future profile of Miyaichi(Arsenal) and Kelvin(Porto)?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith March 11, 2012

      Afraid both players were ruled out because I’ve never seen them develop into anything good.

  • comment avatar darsnider March 28, 2012

    he is a hard one to develop but im working on it got most his stats to 15 with 2 years to go he is 19 now great guy he and vadillo are my subs for hazard and elia they do well but still get bullied for now cant wait to get him to 17 acceleration and pace to work on his technical skills

    • comment avatar Darren Smith March 28, 2012

      Hopefully you’ll have the same success as Pedro did with him.

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  • comment avatar Adam April 7, 2012

    could u check Lazar Markovic from Partizan he is realy good im my save

    • comment avatar Darren Smith April 7, 2012

      I can’t profile him as Lazar is not visible in any of my future saves…he looks talented but can’t be profiled without a future profile unfortunately.

  • comment avatar darsnider April 11, 2012

    you have to profile vadilo he is great i have him at 21 and he is really becoming their he has much better overall stats than Valencia though i still need to do some work he is 20 now

    • comment avatar Darren Smith April 11, 2012

      I won’t profile him until I have a future profile including his full development as he has gone nowhere near in all my saves, if someone thinks they have a good enough screenshot I’m happy to look at it.

  • comment avatar frakje April 17, 2012

    If the guy didn’t cheat as you say why is it then that the player starts with a determination of 3 (first screen) and ends up with a determination of 18….Mmmm Strange…. Using the editor to manipulate the mental stats eej…Everybody knows that ambition, determination and professialism defines if the player will reach its maximum potential….Nice try though

    • comment avatar Darren Smith April 17, 2012

      You obviously didn’t understand the part about doing your research. Players PA and CA can be flexible, just read the comments above as its all explained by the guy himself. The only other thing could be that the first screenshot is from the latest patch as I updated the site but the future screenshot is from a game in an earlier patch. I won’t waste my time explaining simple parts of the game so just read the comments further up, but the proof is all there. If you continue to argue this then you obviously don’t understand how the game works.

  • comment avatar Jack May 1, 2012

    Is he good enough to fit into the Barcelona team, as a backup and potential replacement for Alexis Sanchez?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith May 1, 2012

      The problem there is that Valencia can have different attributes in different saves so I couldn’t say for sure…but he is worth buying at such a price and try rotating him to see what happens.

  • comment avatar Jack May 3, 2012

    I didn’t buy this guy in the first, second, or third transfer windows, and in my game it is November of 2012. He plays for Zaragoza, who were regulated, and he has gotten SO MUCH BETTER! His dribbling is 15, first touch and technique 16, and his mentals/phsicals have improved too. I just arranged to sign him for 1.8M in January. The only problem is that he’s become a natural AMC, and my formation doesnt use one. I’m sure I can retrain him back to being a winger though.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith May 3, 2012

      Just another example showing this profile is not fake then, always nice to see. I’d say you can most certainly redevelop him back to a winger.

  • comment avatar danny May 26, 2012

    could you look at jake sinclair plays for southampton?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith May 26, 2012

      He’s never amounted to anything in any of my saves.

      • comment avatar danny May 26, 2012

        could you put pic of joel valencia in one of your saves and eden hazard? and cheers for replying

        • comment avatar Darren Smith May 26, 2012

          There’s future screenshots of both on the profiles here, Valencia doesn’t develop so well when the CPU is managing so that screenshot is irrelevant for the report and Hazard is the same screenshot as shown on the site.

          • comment avatar danny June 4, 2012

            Darren im 16 games in season he plays for the u18s, reserves with 8-11 games in senior. any good?
            http://gyazo.com/cb08e14748c48c40a5d4bc6b85daa2c8

          • comment avatar Darren Smith June 4, 2012

            I’d say he looks capable of making some really good improvements yes, just keep giving him some football and at 18 years old he may be worth loaning to a club classing him as a valuable first team member.

  • comment avatar neutronstar44 June 3, 2012

    I was wondering if anybody bought joel valencia late in the game(~2015/16) and if he developed into anything good. Got him after him rotting away at Man city. I have had him since the january transfer window and am currently training him as an AM and have given him game time, but there hasn’t been any growth in his stats.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 3, 2012

      I haven’t but most players that don’t get developed correctly for more than 3-4 seasons will never reach their potential, that’s not an exact statement but just what I’ve noticed in game.

  • comment avatar danny June 4, 2012

    cheers darren ill do that and would i be able to help for future profiles in fm2013?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 4, 2012

      It depends really, we’ll have to see nearer the time, but the key to helping is been able to find those players that no one else can, without that you can’t be a scout as there’s a fair amount of people asking about it.

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 14, 2012

    Wanted to no Deulofeu or Valencia for InsideForward amr Malaga 3rd season january

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 14, 2012

    not january end of 2nd season

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 14, 2012

      Depends on your game, Deulofeu is probably going to to grow more consistently while Valencia can be better but not all the time.

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 14, 2012

    im on Valencia’s favourored perso list whilst Deulofeu dont want to move but i think i can chage him
    ps joel valencia’s at valencia

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 14, 2012

    sorry for poor spelling

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 14, 2012

      Like I said, it depends on how good he is in your save.

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 17, 2012

    I’m in the mix of selling Santi Cazorla but i’m having trouble signing a wide man any ideas

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 17, 2012

      I like Weiss of Man City but there should be a few decent options in the ultimate list.

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 17, 2012

    Thinking Lenny Nangis

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 17, 2012

      He’s got the pace but I’m not a fan of his technique to be honest.

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 18, 2012

    Then do you no what winger i should try.
    Info
    James Rodriguez at Man Utd

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 18, 2012

      I’ve already mentioned Weiss and Douglas Costa would be my other recommendation.

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 18, 2012

    Would Jordan Ayew be suitable

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 19, 2012

    I decided on Oscar good dribbling, off the ball ,pace,finishing and flair

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 19, 2012

      He is a quality player and has bags of potential.

  • comment avatar Iker Muniain June 19, 2012

    already signed him wanted to know what you thought

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 19, 2012

      I know, I just offered my thoughts in the previous comment.

  • comment avatar step June 24, 2012

    bought him for 7 million

  • comment avatar Yayy June 27, 2012

    Would just like to say that when buying a player like Valencia be very patient.

    For about 4 years I had him and he literally did not show the signs of improvement that I wanted and as he had only 1 year on his contract left I told myself that this will be his last.

    Luckily for him my Right Wing didn’t have any good depth after Sigurdsson (my makeshift Inside forward) got injured so Valencia gets some games.

    Amazingly the kid shows rapid improvement after 4 years of nothing and pushes Elkesson out of my right wing position.

    At about 25 he really hits his straps and became a top team Premier league winger. If I had played him earlier for full games he could have been world class IMO.

    Be patient with this kid because he can turn out very good!

    • comment avatar Darren Smith June 27, 2012

      That is the same for many young wonderkids, that is why people saying they aren’t very good frustrates me, you must offer first team football or they won’t develop. The problem with most gamers is they don’t have the patience to finish three seasons so will never see the best from players like Valencia.

  • comment avatar Junayd Hoque July 1, 2012

    Joel Valencia is a very good player, but have you tried out Shinji Kagawa?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith July 1, 2012

      He is an excellent player but not available at a good enough price from the start of the game.

  • comment avatar Drew July 18, 2012

    Hey Darren, cheers for the work.

    I picked him up in my Swansea save after 2 yrs of playing, and have had him out on loan a couple of times and hes played a few cup games. He’s 20 now and is worth 1 Mil (AUD), with stats prtty far from the ones above.

    Is it too late for him?

    Cheers

    • comment avatar Darren Smith July 18, 2012

      It may be too late for him to reach the level above (in all truth he may not even have the potential to reach the level above in some saves) but he could still do very well…but you must invest and give him proper first team football or he will never improve.

  • comment avatar Gordon July 22, 2012

    Hey Darren, well done for the work on this website. Really appreciate it!

    Just a quickie on Valencia, I’ve bought him but have no idea how to utilise him in my squad of Chelsea where I have Hazard, Mata, Marin and Hulk. My scouts tell me he plays best in the AMC position as an Attacking Midfielder but he hasn’t been that great there (well I tend to sub him on for Mata after Mata is tired) but the general consensus I gather from this thread is that he is best employed on the right wing?

    Cheers!

    • comment avatar Darren Smith July 22, 2012

      I personally see him as a right winger, I guess at the start of the game his attributes are so low that the scouts could see him as edging towards AMC…but his development turns him into a winger IMO…the way his attributes grow certainly suits that role so I’d suggest playing him there.

      • comment avatar Gordon July 22, 2012

        Thanks for the near-instant reply!

        I have a bit of a problem with my Chelsea game as I overbought quite a bit, I think.

        I play a high 4-2-3-1 so that I can bring Mata into the team, otherwise I would actually prefer to play a 4-5-1 as I feel that that is better suited for a possession based game.

        I have a conundrum in my AMs position where I have Hazard, Mata, Valencia, Hulk, Kakuta and de Bruyne. They are all still pretty young except for Hulk so I believe that 1st team games would benefit a lot in their development but obviously I cant do it without making another player lose out on player time. What would you advise me to get rid of/retrain? I currently use Kakuta to fill in for Hulk on the right wing as IF and Marin as normal winger on the LW for Hazard. de Bruyne is currently on loan.

        My biggest problem is up front: Torres, Lukaku, Sturridge, Neymar, Fierro, Sanogo. 6 strikers competing for one spot in my 4-2-3-1 set up. I tried selling Torres off at 32m and even lowered it until 18m but no teams came him for him. I prefer not to sell Sturridge coz of his home-grown status. As for Lukaku, he’s developed quite well in my save coz I played him regularly in season 1 and then I loaned him out in season 2. I’m looking to sell him now tho.. any ideas what I should do in terms of getting rid of/retraining?

        Fierro: I’m aware that he can play as a treq so maybe I can retrain him to play in the AMC position to replace Mata for the long-run.

        Neymar: What is your advice as to how to play him? I’ve read around and discovered that he’s best played as a treq up front, but given that I have Mata playing in AMC as a treq, would it be effective to have 2 treqs being playing one behind the other?

        Sorry for the bombardment of questions.

        • comment avatar Darren Smith July 22, 2012

          I’ll start with the attacking midfielders and recommend you pay less attention to where their ‘natural’ position is, I play wingers out of position to great effect all the time. I’d recommend starting the league and tough cup games with Hazard left, Mata middle and Hulk right… Then during the easier CL and cup games use Marin left, Kakuta middle and Valencia right…just mix things around like that.

          As for the striker I’d get rid of Sturridge (he won’t develop if not played constantly,) Torres (you won’t sell him if he sin’t playing) and Lukaku. I’d use Neymar as AMC and sell Kakuta, just rotate Neymar and Mata every game. Then just rotate Fierro and Sanogo, use Torres as the main man upfront until you can sell him.

          • comment avatar Gordon July 22, 2012

            Thanks so much once again, Darren.

            Re: sturridge – I have been playing him regularly and he has been quite a prolific goal scorer for me as a matter of fact. Only problem is that he doesnt relish the big occasions.

            What would you advise for my midfield: badelj (doesn’t relish big occasions too), strootman, essien (aged 30 now), ramires, lampard, mceachran. I would like lampard to see out his career at chelsea.

          • comment avatar Darren Smith July 22, 2012

            I suggest rotating the four MC’s every game same as AM’s but sell Essien maybe.

  • comment avatar Ross August 2, 2012

    into 2016 now and Joel Valencia is really starting to look good he’s almost as good as pedro’s profile, 19 in dribbling 19 in technique passing 16 accel agility 18 and pace 15, mental attributes are coming along nicely, have given him plenty of game time since i bought him at the start of the game, play him left wing for benfica in rotation with Gaitan, he’s still only 20 as well, gonna be great for the next 10 years or so! Bargain if you put the time into his development!

    • comment avatar Darren Smith August 2, 2012

      Nice to know others have enjoyed similar results to that of Pedro…should help silence the doubters.

  • comment avatar Ross August 2, 2012

    yeah i had read some of the comments claiming he altered the stats not a nice thing for people to say when you’ve put the effort in of giving him good training and game time, they’re obviously the people who wouldn’t bother stick with a player for a few years to see him reach his potential. So just wanted to back up Pedro’s profile.

  • comment avatar Alex Ashley August 4, 2012

    on my save joel valencia is an att mid centre not a att mid right, and has no chance of reaching the ability of the screenshot at the age of 21. i have done 5 saves now to see and so i ask the question… how did pedro silva get him that good!??????

    • comment avatar Darren Smith August 4, 2012

      Its a well known fact that he has flexible PA meaning he won’t be the same in every save and players like Joel just don’t respond well to CPU management so you can load as many saves as you like and you’ll keep seeing the same thing. Just read the comments, its all explained above.

  • comment avatar Ross August 5, 2012

    Joel Valencia profile:
    http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/254/joelvalenciaprofileb.png

    Joel Valencia history:
    http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4843/joelvalenciahistoryb.png

    Here is a profile of Valencia aged 20, not quite at Pedro’s level but he is a year younger and well on the way, so it is possible but as you can see from the history I gave him a lot of game time in order to help him progress. Also worked on his training.

  • comment avatar Chuck August 5, 2012

    In your opinion Darren, who would be the 2 best young wingers in FM12 ?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith August 5, 2012

      Depends on price and a whole load of other factors…But I am a fan of Weiss and Hazard, my pairing with Malaga.

      • comment avatar Chuck August 5, 2012

        Im talking about 2 creative wingers with high passing and creativity skills

  • comment avatar Alex ashley August 8, 2012

    finally masnaged to get close to pedro silva’s valencia, i see now that you can do anything with this player if trained in the proper way

    • comment avatar Darren Smith August 8, 2012

      Like I have said many times to doubters, there are tonnes of people who have put the time in and achieved the same results so try it like yourself then comment, as you said, he can reach those levels.

  • comment avatar Rozza89 August 15, 2012

    I’ve been checking out these posts and similar wonderkid articles on both FM12 and previously FM11 and never see Alberto Paloschi Mentioned, personally he is the best striker on the game and can walk straight into first team. Last Season he played 59 games in all competions and bagged 52 goals. He has pace, power, brilliant mental stats and with composure of 18 and finishing 17 in 2014 hes a sure buy!

    • comment avatar Darren Smith August 15, 2012

      Paloschi is an outstanding player but I don’t have a screenshot that does him justice, thats why he hasn’t been featured yet.

  • comment avatar Edvard Salberg September 3, 2012

    How much can you get him for in 2013 ?

    • comment avatar Darren Smith September 3, 2012

      I couldn’t answer that as it will be different from game to game.

  • comment avatar saltwater September 3, 2012

    How have I never heard of this guy before!!?
    Straight on my FM13 hit-list, assuming of course that his price tag doesn’t rocket up

    • comment avatar Darren Smith September 3, 2012

      He is quality, but he does have flexible PA which means he won’t always hit this level no matter what you do, but even if he hits 80% of the above he’s incredible.

  • comment avatar Mille September 9, 2012

    http://i.imgur.com/Eij4o.jpg

    Year 2018 in my Napoli save.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith September 10, 2012

      Just another example of how great this kid is to prove the doubters wrong, cheers.

  • comment avatar Doug September 17, 2012

    This is a question in regards to Valencia’s development specifically, but could be applied to many other players/positions.

    I just bought Valencia at the start of the 2nd season for Schalke. He isn’t first choice, so I’m playing him in reserves, giving him a start every once in a while, and putting him on a heavy training schedule. I envision him as a winger when he establishes himself in the first team, but in my game (different from the screenshots I’m seeing) he is a natural AMC and only accomplished on the wings.

    Should I use 10% of Valencia’s workload in hopes of making him a natural on the wing i.e. will he perform markedly better as a natural as opposed to accomplished? Or would I be better served with that extra % going toward schedule training?

    Any feedback appreciated.

    • comment avatar Darren Smith September 18, 2012

      There are arguments both, but no exact research to support one or the other been best. I’d say train him for your preferred position for 6 months, if he hasn’t gone to natural then focus on training.

  • comment avatar vasilis September 23, 2012

    he has many injuries problems !!! i don’t recommend this player!

    • comment avatar Darren Smith September 23, 2012

      He isn’t always injury prone so obviously not great in your game but he won’t be injury prone in everybodies save.

  • comment avatar SteveFM May 7, 2013

    This kid needs 20+ games a season plus tutoring from a winger-midfielder with good mental attributes and he develops into what u see and even better(got himto that point one year earlier with arsenal via 4,5 star training and match experience along with gervinho and arshavin tutoring)

    • comment avatar Darren Smith May 7, 2013

      Yeah I think thats natural for any player that leaps forward in terms of development like Valencia can.

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